surprised
4th July 2009 |
I am surprised by how little some people know of their own history- living in a country whih has taken the name of an invading tribe and whose language is named after this tribe does not mean everyone in the country is descended from this tribe!
The Bolgars were historically from Central Asia- linguistic evidence suggests their language was from the Turkic language family. They are known to have moved into an area inhabited by Slavic tribes-who had in tur moved into lands inhabited by Thracians and Dacians. These people wre not killed or wiped out from history- they had merely adopted slavic language and tradition. The Bolgars were ruling elites and their language never replaced that of their subjects- but it did give their new land its name and hence the name of the language spoken there.
So Bulgarians are descendents of Thracians- as are many many other people in the Balkans- but there will surely be a little Greek, Macedonian, Illyrian and Dacian in there too- an who knows Celtic, Germanic, Turkic....
We are European we are not defined by our language we are defined by our very mixed genetic heritage- be proud of that- not a myth!! |
Bojan (Mother Earth)
2nd January 2008 |
The bulgarians can only create imaginations that the cyrilics is invented by bylgarians. It is a macedonian alphabet and it's created by Climent and Naum who have simplified the complex glagolic alphabet and the product of that process was the cyrilic alphabet. The alphabet was named cyrilic after the theacher St. Cyril who have lived in Solun, Macedonia. |
Bulgarian (Bulgaria)
15th December 2007 |
Here I see written many lies about the Bulgarian background! Some people still can not understand that the fact we talk similar to the Slavic language doesn't mean that we are Slavs. From ancient times protobulgarians, Thracians(local Bulgarians) and Slavs talk almost the same language. That's why we are both peoples from indo-european origin who are from the same language brunch. The language of the protobulgarians was not slightly different from the modern Bulgarian. I have red phrases in protobulgarian which are almost the same as the nowadays Bulgarian and very similar to the same phrases in the Slavic languages. And here, at the lands of Bulgaria, haven't been found any singns of Slavic population - there are no Slavic villages, thre are not any signs of Slavic civilization here, nothing! From a Russian chronicle is known that when the Aparuh Bulgarians(who were called Scythians by the Byzantines) arrived near the Dunabe river there were seven Slavic tribes. The Russian chronicle says that the Bulgarians ruled with terror over them and forced them to migrate on the western Bulgarian boarder near the Avar khaganate. The Slavs were forced to defend the Western Bulgarian boarder and to pay demands to the Bulgarians. Later, at the time of kanaz Omourtag, the Slavs rised on rebel cause they didn't want any more to live this way. This fact agains who's us that there wasn't mixing between Bulgarians and the few Slavs who lived above Dunabe, in nowadays Romania.
At the time of the Bulgarian Golden age Bulgaria became center of the Slavic peoples - something which Byzantine desired very strong but we won this struggle. In this period the Slavs obtained Bulgarian culture and this fact also explains why there are so much similar Bulgarian and Slavic words - there was strong Bulgarian culture influence through the Slavic peoples in the middleages.
About Cyril and Metodius - in their biography book it's written clear that they got BULGARIAN origin. And the nowadays Cyrilic alphabet was written in Bulgaria by their BULGARIAN student Klement of Ohrid |
Leo (Toronto)
18th June 2007 |
Bulgaria is the worst nation to live in.
Crime and theft is the highest in Europe and so is rape. |
anthropologist (#)
30th April 2006 |
the protobulgarians being to east-iranian group nations,they are not have a mongolian origin.
the protobulgarians have aryan origin,this is the pure truth. |
anthropologist (Bulgaria)
29th April 2006 |
the protobulgarians belong to east-iranian group nation,they are not mongolian,this is the pure truth. |
anthropologist (b)
29th April 2006 |
protobulgarians belong to east-iranian group nations,they are not mongolians,this is the pure truth. |
me
19th February 2006 |
to Dionisio
you don't know nothing for the alphabet the name of alphabet which Cyril and metodi done is Glagolic, the cyrilic alphabet been created in Ohrid and Preslav from their students by order of bulgarian king Boris.
The glagolic alphabet been created for Moravians kingdom by order of Roman emperor, Moravians never been orthox dionisis .
This that orthodox use it is because of fact that bulgarians develop it and spread, this include vlach(not slavonic) which use old bulgarian language for their litreture to 18 century.
The reason that this alphabet been so famous been that we bulgarians used it and spread it.
About the slavs you are wrong too, the slavs been in this land before creation of bulgarian state.
And what about you what are you greek or roman, because the official language in Byzantine Empire been latin, when in the same time in bulgaria been slavonic. |
me
19th February 2006 |
to dionisis
you don't know nothing for the alphabet the name of alphabet which cyril and matodi done is Glagolic, the cyrlic alphabet been created in Ohrid and Preslav from their students by order of bulgarian king Boris.
The glagolic alphabet been created for Moravians kingdom by order of Roman empiror, Moravians never been orthox dionisis .
This that orthodox use it is because of fact that bulgarians develop it and spread, this include vlach which use old bulgarian language for their litreture to 18 century.
The reason that this alphabet been so famous beeb that we bulgarians used it and spread it.
About the slavs you are wrong too, the slavs been in this land before creation of bulgarians state.
And what about you what are you greek or roman, because the official language in Byzantine Empire been latin, when in the same time in bulgaria been slavonic.
You are such a petty |
Emanuela
8th November 2005 |
Why does it still say everywhere that the Bolgars were a Turkic tribe, when it has been proven already that our origin is not the same as the Turkics? Not that it's the most important subject in the world, but so many facts of our history will always be twisted or unrevealed. It bothers me when it comes to my identity, if you know what I mean... |
BULGARIAN :P
26th October 2005 |
I'm lucky to be Bulgarian,but now the goverment in Bulgaria is bad.( At 01.01.2007 Bulgaria must be a part of the EU: )
and then the situation in our country will be better then NOW :) |
dionisis
24th September 2005 |
The Cyrillic alphabet was invented by the brothers Cyrill and Methodius following orders from the Roman Emperor (Byzantine emperor) to preach Christianity to the Slavic population of Eastern Europe. The two brothers travelled as far as Moldova. and the alphabet was used gradually from every slavonic speaker who is an orthodox. The catholic slavonic nations use the latin alphabet. So it is not a case of which country took the alphabet from another country. St. Cyrill and St. Methodius were from Thessaloniki and the case of their origin (slavic or greek) is something that is not determined for sure. As for the thracian origin of the Bulgarians I have my doubts. Bulgarians came to the Balkans before the Slavs maybe they have a Mongolian ancestry maybe not. But through the years they were mixed with the remnants of thracian tribes and with the Slavs, but keeping their own indentity of course. As for Homer's Iliad it is nowhere in the text stated that the Mirmidones (and of course Achilles) were Thracians. They were Thessalians. If they were Thracians they would be allies of the Trojans like all the thracian tribes according to Homer. Instead Achilles was fightning with the Acheans against the Trojans.
Even if Achilles was Thracian and the Bulgarians are descendants of Taracians that doesn't mean that Achilles was Bulgarian. That is like saying that because gorillas and humans have a same ancestors therefore humans are gorillas. |
Ventzislav
11th September 2005 |
"Although the majority of Bulgarians are ethnic Turkoman (Central Asian Turkic)" Sheldon
COMPLETELY WRONG.. you should read a lot more next time when you write something about Bulgaria! |
Bulgarian
6th September 2005 |
Hi cc and all other,
It is not always necessary smaller countries to accept the culture of bigger ones. Using the same logic as yours we could say that in the past Britain was part of the USA and British accepted the language and alphabet by the Americans.
P. S.
All interested in Bulgarian history and culture could find enough and reliable information in the British Museum - London. |
Bulgarian_woman
28th August 2005 |
Nice to see that someone has already revealed the truth for Bulgaria.
Even Russians know that cyrillic letters are invented by Bulgarians. |
dessie
22nd August 2005 |
Bulgaria is the best country to live in and Bulgarian people are the most charming ones!i love them with all their dark sides and golden hearts!!!Gotta know them!nobody parties like us! |
Pavel
17th August 2005 |
Some of the postings on here are utmostly moronic. Go to a library or look up an online entry in an encyclopedia to get the facts. Bulgaria has never been part of the USSR or ny Russian State. It was under a Communist regime from 1945-1989. However, Bulgaria is also the oldest Slavic state, founded in the 7th century. It did not invent but was the first to adopt the Cyrillic alphabet, from where it spread to other Slavic countries. The Bulgarian people are primarily Slavic, but they also carry Old Bulgar genetic and cultural heritage. The theory that some or many Bulgarians also have some Thracian genetic origins has not been supported well. |
John
9th July 2005 |
Is our next Pope going to be from Bulgaria? I think is possible. It will be intersting to see how Bulgarians react to pressure from other EU members for their acceptance of this referendum. Perhaps the Vatican will provide additional guidance within the region, but how do Bulgarians feel about this German Pope? My research is continuing for answers concerning the Eleusinian Mysteries as they relate to Abdera. If anyone here has information regarding resources which might be of assistance, I am very greatful. |
Evil Azotko
21st June 2005 |
looks like already too many Bulgarians got mixed up in this discuccion. but here i go anyway. i'd just like to express my astonishment at the theory that bulgarians are descendants of some glorious ancient thracian tribe. this is the first time i've ever heard this one. well, science never stops its development, and the more amateurs and laymen have a go at it - the more coulourful (and preposterous) the theories that are circulated. talk about unbridled imaginations :) |
Bulgarian
10th June 2005 |
Dear all,
first of all, Bulgaria Never Been and Never Will be a part of the Soviet Union. In second hand russians use cyrilic letters invented by bulgarian scientists and holly men St Cyril and St Methodius more than thousend years ago and recognized by Pope and Holly Church.
Third, Bulgarians are descent of the great ancient Thracians, after their long march in central Asia. If you ever read Iliada by Homerus, the heroic Ahiles tribe - Mirmidones are actualy bulgarians (thracians) |
Shaman
6th June 2005 |
Well, several EU officials have said yes, but whether it comes to happen is a different story. |
tcp
3rd June 2005 |
Is Bulgaria still on track to join the EU in 2007 despite the latest Holland and France NO VOTE for the EU referendum? |
rode
1st June 2005 |
To levi asher - Bulgaria was never part of the former USSR. |
bulgarian
30th May 2005 |
Hi cc - it is good that you are interested in Bulgarian history. But it is a pity that people know so little about one of the oldest countries in Europe with such an interesting history. Bulgaria was never part of Russian empire or USSR and actually was the first country in the world that accepted Cyrillic as an official alphabet. So if we have to be correct, Russians adopted the Cyrillic script from the Bulgarians, not the other way. And to 'slither', you are right - many words and names Bulgarians use nowdays come from the old Bulgarian; like, one of the most famous "Russian" names, Boris, for example, is actually an old Bulgarian name. One more thing: For more accurate information please visit the Vatican libraries which has a big section on the written Bulgarian history and of course the grave of St. Cyrill. But easier for now would be to visit: http://www.bulgaria.com/history/bulgaria/index.html Good luck with your future discoveries !!!! |
John
9th April 2005 |
Has anyone here considered the history of Abrade? I'm trying to determine what is the historical significance of this name or previous names the city has had, regarding the Eleusinian Mysteries. I suspect something of importance will emerge from Thrace. |
slither
4th April 2005 |
Hello cc, Sheldon, Sheldon, you are absolutely right. Only two remarks: 1. The Cyrillic alphabet was invented in 9th century by the Slavic brothers St. Cirilus and St. Metodius and Bulgaria adopted it as the official alphabet a few years later. It was at that time it also adopted Christianity as its official religion. 2. You said 'When the Bulgars mixed with the local Slav popluation in the late 7th century, they took with them the tradionaly Slav form of writing: Cyrillic.' Historians say that only few hundreds Bulgars came from their previous state - Great Bulgaria on River Volga (maybe more came later). They adopted the Slavic language but many words in use even now come from 'Bulgarian'. |
Sheldon
2nd April 2005 |
Hi CC. In fact Bulgaria was never a part of the Russian Empire. At different points in history Russia had tried to gain control of Bulgaria, all of which failed due, mostly, to the Ottoman Turk Empire. When the Bulgars mixed with the local Slav popluation in the late 7th century, they took with them the tradionaly Slav form of writing: Cyrillic. After WWII Bulgaria fell to Soviet forces. In the years following, the Communist government try to "Russianize" the poplution as much as possible, in the hopes that they would always be trustful sujects of the Warsaw Pact and the USSR. Although the majority of Bulgarians are ethnic Turkoman (Central Asian Turkic), the past 60 the years of Soviet rule have lead the poplution to believe that they are ethnic Slavs. Although these lies are now washing away, those years of "Russianizion" under Communism plus the Slav history of the region have mixed together to give Bulgaria a seeming "Russian" culture. Which of course is not historicaly true. |
levi asher
1st April 2005 |
Bulgarians are of Bulgar origin. The Bulgars were from Central Asia and migrated west. There they merged with the Slavs. Yes, Bulgaria was part of the former USSR. |
Bulge Harreeman
24th March 2005 |
Are all southern Slavs racist? |
cc
2nd March 2005 |
I'm really interested in eastern European history and culture, and I'm not positive about this, so I'm going to ask: does any other history buff out here know if Bulgaria was once a part of the Russian Empire at some point in history? Because like the Russians they use the Cyrillic alphabet, are Slavic people and speak a Slavic language and I noticed that many Bulgarians have Russian-sounding names...anyone who is an expert on Slavic culture culd you please respond? Thank you! |
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