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Discussion - Portugal Profile
These are comments that our moderators found as non-authoritative though possibly interesting for
further discussion on Portugal Profile
José Moreira
11th March 2010 |
A good source of statistical information about Portugal is www.pordata.pt . |
José Ramos (Portugal)
16th September 2008 |
I would ask JP why a list of famous Portuguese-Americans is divisive and insulting! I can't figure any reasonable reason for that statement... |
JP (Portugal/US)
31st July 2006 |
The only link that should show on this country profile should be:
http://www.ucalgary.ca/applied_history/tutor/eurvoya/portuguese.html
This provides a good historical account of the country. The one mentioned by Colosi is divisive and insulting. |
José Augusto Macedo do Couto (Porto - Portugal)
13th June 2006 |
IMHO, the informations about AREA>Land and AREA>Water, should be placed in the Main Page of each Country, like BORDERS, POPULATION, GDP PER CAPITAL, CAPITAL WITH POPULATION and LARGEST CITY WITH POPULATION, are.
Regards from
José Augusto Macedo do Couto
Porto
PORTUGAL |
J.P.
22nd July 2005 |
Also as far as the movement by some people to try to categorize Portuguese as Hispanics, please be aware that the term Hispanic actually identifies mestizos/mesticos (spanish mixed with local american indian. I dont think that even the Spaniards identify with that. Their culture is very different from the hispanic culture and even their cuisine shows that....If you have ever been to spain you dont see taco joints, tortillas, or burritos all over the place.
Hispanics: Latin American people that speak spanish (Castillian) and are usually racially mixed (Spaniard with local indegenous tribes such as Inca, azetec etc.)
Latinos- Indentifying people in the Latin American Region that were colonized and subjugated by the European nations that derive their languages from latin/lacio. This includes areas colonized by the Spanish, Portuguese, French etc. However if the colonies were not in America, then they dont qualify (i.e. Holland which was colonized by Spain, or Phillipines, etc) Even French Canadadians qualify as Latinos. Brasil with their mixture stemming from Portuguese, local indegenous tribes a african bloodlines is Latino however not hispanic.
Racially the Spaniards and Portuguese are white (mostly of the Mediterreanean stock with some Alpine and Nordic) |
J.P.
1st July 2005 |
In actuality the movement to make Portugal an actual country was started in 1127 when Dom Afonso Henriques began his revolt of the anexation of the area by the Kingdom of Leon. This effort finally culminized in the first major battle to establish Portugal as a country in the BATTLE OF SAO MAMEDE ON
"24 de Junho de 1128" when his organized militia met in the field against the army of Leon. Very famous battle. This is the first actual date of Portuguese resolve and SHOULD BE the actual date of the formation of the country, not 1143/treaty of Zamora (which was the date that after many battles against Leon and also after anihilating 5 moorish kings to the south of him in the famous battle of OURIQUE, his cousin the king of Leon decided to agree to recognize him as king of Portugal.
Keep in mind that the effort for the US to be a country was begun prior to July 4, 1776, the declaration was on that date and actual recognition of that fact from Britain did not happen until after the war and the realization that they could not win.
So if we are talking about the formation of Portugal, we do not care when Leon acknowledge but rather when the decision to put it all on the line, live or die, happened, and there is no more of a significant point in that timeline than the Battle of Sao Mamede.
LONG LIVE PORTUGAL (Independence/Formation Date: 24June1128)
This should be the highest of all Holidays in the Portuguese speaking world. |
Steven Colosi
13th April 2005 |
From around eighth grade I have been interested in finding out the way our government groups people into racial categories on U.S. Census forms, State tests, and at the DMV, knowing that Hispanic is not a race and is already aforementioned on the forms. There seems to be many lacks of understanding on some and I am going to make it my sole duty to bring awareness to this politically sensitive matter. I support adding 'Mediterranean and Middle Easterner' to the application form. The system is so screwed up that everyone from countries east of the Middle East is considered Asian despite the fact that people from India are Caucasians and not at all relative to people from China.
It is stupid that our government views people of a darker complexion as non-Caucasian and we have all of these Northern Nazi types claiming to be the Aryan race. I am sorry but Aryan people are nothing close to Hitler's description. Iranians and people from the Indian subcontinent are the true Aryans, which doesn't even have a racial reference in their usage.
Our government just doesn't have a clue in the world how to identify people and therefore we have people of an unknown race because of ignorance. I don't understand why Hispanic shouldn't refer to Portuguese culture instead of just pertaining to Spanish culture especially when their cultures are more related to each other than our government gives them credit for. The definition is no doubt ignorant of that fact. After all they both occupy the same peninsula, which was known as Hispania and is known today as the Iberian Peninsula.
The Latins are the ancient ancestors of the Italians whom settle in the region of Italy known as Latium and is now Lazio. However, the Celt Iberians are the ancient ancestors of the Spanish and Portuguese and therefore they are a Celt Iberian people, not a Latin people despite their languages derive principally from their language. If a Latin is a native or resident of ancient Latium, then they aren't a native or inhabitant of Latin America. A Latino is a Hispanic American where as an Italian or someone of Italian descent residing in America is a Latin-American. However, people from Portugal and Brazil are not Hispanic American considering the definition for Hispanic.
I also have found out by curiosity that Ralph Nader is an Arab-American of Lebanese descent. Believe it or not Doug Flutie is also an Arab-American and they are white according to the government. This is why I perfer 'Mediterranean and Middle Easterner' added to the application. Latins, Greeks, Albanians, and Maltese (Mediterraneans) have a lot more in common with North Africans and Middle Easterners than Europeans: especially Greeks who have lived in Egypt since before the Roman Empire existed and Albanians who have been kings and princesses of Egypt. The Maltese speak a Semitic language derived mainly Arabic with many loan words from Romance languages. They themselves are a great mixture of the peoples who have influenced them and their culture. Mediterraneans have generally the same complexion as Arabs because of where they live. In addition if I were full-blooded I would have more of an olive complexion even though it is not always true. ~ Steven Colosi
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Steven Colosi
19th January 2005 |
Why don't you have a list for famous Portuguese-Americans and a link to: http://www.portuguesefoundation.org/hispanic.htm? |
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