Proudly SA
11th December 2009 |
Regardless of the crime her in SA, there is no place like home! I LOVE MY COUNTRY and we should all work together to try and solve this. |
saproudly
9th November 2009 |
Stats are based on incentives of the "expert" providing the stats. We know that between 1990 and 1996 Atlanta (US) under reported all its crimes stats and 22 000 doc on crime went missing. So, it depends how powerful a country you are and which "expert" is brown-nosed by who.
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peter
5th October 2009 |
I share the question with Stan. Demonstrate the in-accuracy of statistics especialy regarding crime stats from South Africa. Anyway it means between 59 and 87 murders PER DAY !!! |
it does not make sence
8th September 2009 |
Im am trying to understand the stats with respect to murders for South Africa.
Murders 21,553 [1st of 49]
Murders with firearms 31,918 [1st of 36]
Should not murders with firearms be a sub category of all murders, and therefore should always be less that all murders. or should you split the murder into murder without firearm and murder with firearm.
Stan
stm@24.com |
Elysiumboy
3rd May 2009 |
What an excellent source of information! Found everything I needed with the simplest of ease. You've joined my favourites column immediately. |
NK
14th April 2009 |
Alex Dovale I completely agree with you, people need to either do something, shut up or move to another country. I have also had the pleasure of living in so called "first world" countries and nothing beats SA!!!
As per 'Johannesburg' comment re "The Zims are the ONLY ones who put work and effort in to their jobs and because of that THEY are the ones getting employed.." You definatly have no idea what you are talking about, the problem many South Africans have with 'Zims' is that they are willing to work for peanuts thereby making it easier for employers to pick them over South Africans who obvioiusly can't work for the same amount as they have families living in SA that they have to take care of as opposed to sending money to Zim...South Africans are not lazy and we are a young democracy, there are many issues to be solved including crime, poverty, unfair distribution of wealth, corruption etc. And as you say the Zims are just such hard working people and " If our population (SA) weren't so lazy we'd have built a FANTASTIC and SAFE economy and country...", well shouldn';t Zim be a first world country by now? I mean 'hard working people' would have ousted Mugabe by now and built a fabulous nation complete with Cinderella, unlike the lazy South Africans???
thea vosloo -Yes many of the people who commit crime is SA are black,its about 90% of the poipulation and they happen to mostly be living in extreme povert & why are you living on a continent you expect no good out of, surely you must believe in Africa somewhat to actually live in Benoni, South Africa?
Angry Black South African - seriously, nothing pisses me off more that black people who complain rather than provide positive solutions. Yes, foreign countries like Zim, Nigeria, Congo etc allowed South African in during apartheid but let me tell you we were guests, you got an education or trained with MK (mostly this is what happened in African nations) and you were involved in making that particular country aware of the social ills that occur in SA -- is that waht happens when most of the Zims, Nigerians & etc come to SA? Nope, they come in and offer to do the job at a lower rate making it extremely hard for South Africans to be paid decently. I agree re how stupid it was for the SA gov to not allow the Dalai Lama in to SA. How hipocritical of you to 'feel ashamed because as blacks we don't stand up for each other' yet you say "I think we still need to be govern by the Caucasians for another 100 years because we are not living up to expectation" Really, how many 15 year old democracies do you know that have achieved as we have? We are probably the only nation in the world to transition from a social ill as cruel as apartheid without civil war, that says something to me...Furthermore re Eskom - the UK & US have had more black outs than we have in the past year. Re SABC - no doubt there need to be some major changes but really it's not because it's under 'black management' that its like that, it was poorly managed during white management as well being used by the partheid gov to flight only that which it deemed fit. SAA - also had issues under your so called 'caucasian rule'....change takes time ( it took the USA 100yrs after the abolishment of slavery for it to elect a black man as its leader & by the way, look what happened to the once untouchable US econonmy when your favoured caucasians were in charge) that is why we are a developing nation maybe we would stand a chance if yu weren't so bloody negative.
FYI: Positive Solutions include - 1. people waking up and ensuring we don't become a one party state where one party holds a 2/3 majority - making it easier for them to do as they please. 2. Strict bourder control, I mean there are hole in bloody fences that people just crawl through. 3. Same time provide refugee camps, definatly if your country is not 'safe' you are welcome in SA but do it legally. 4. Each and every South African needs to fight corruption by not taking part in it i.e. no paying metro cops not to give you a ticket, no 'buying' your drivers license etc. iF GOV officials have no odinary citizens to engage in corruption with than maybe we stand a chance. 5. As a nation we need to start saving money and stop living a lifestyle we can't yet afford. 6. Hold our municipalities accountablke should things not be done, especially in rural areas where they keep on voting for the same councillor although he does jack. 7. Instill in our kids, little brothers and sisters the importance of education. 8. If each South African got involved alittle more in assisting a family that is less fortunate maybe we might see an improvement. 9. Report crimes and hold the police responsible should they not follow up, if the attitude is 'well they wont do anything in any case' - its not gonna help if it means going to the media, calling the presidents office than do it, don't sit around complaining all the time. 10. Do what you can to protect you and your family, if you believe that immigrating to another country is correct for you than do it, but once you are in that other country stop bad mouthing SA. |
Angry Black South African (JHB)
3rd April 2009 |
South Africa has since forgotten that during the apartheid regime foreign counties like Nigeria, Congo, Zimbabwe stood in the line for this country to gain its freedom, but today South Africa doesn't respect the interest of other nations or important people like the Dalai Lama.
How would crime reduce when South Africa denied the spiritual leader the right to enter South Africa for a peace conference with the likes of Desmond Tutu and others.
Some times I feel so ashamed being an African because as blacks we don't stand up for each other and when you look around the African states all you will see is instrument of cruelty.
I think we still need to be govern by the Caucasians for another 100 years because we are not living up to expectation, look at how the black economy empowerment has has destroyed this great nation called South Africa. one very good example is the escom issue and that of the SABC and even SAA and etc. these corporations are all held by blacks since the inception of democracy and there has been no positive turn around. doesn't this indicate that in 15 years time this country will be worst than Zimbabwe? talking about Zimbawe I think that's a topic for another day.
Very angry black South African! |
thea vosloo (benoni south africa)
2nd April 2009 |
crime is out of control in our beautiful country since the black government took over. only thing that will stop this is the death penalty. government would however never do that cause thousands of blacks will be put to death every year thus taking votes away from anc. remember this is Africa, don't expect any good coming from it. |
Steve Jones (Cape Town, South Africa)
14th March 2009 |
Most of the sources quoted for the crime stats are well out of date - 2002 is seven years ago. How about more recent stats? |
Steve Jones (Cape Town, South Africa)
14th March 2009 |
South Africa is quoted as having 21553 'murders' in 2002, and 31918 'murders with firearms'. Why then is the 21553 figure used in the international comparison table? Surely the larger figure should be quoted in that table.
It is unclear what the total number of murders is.
Secondly - dates should not be written as '1,997' (see SA death penalty abolition).
Bit shoddy guys. |
Alex Dovale (Cape Town)
13th March 2009 |
This is a beautiful country i have travelled the world and still would rather live no where else then here. Everyone that is sitting here complaining about all the crime and problems either do something about it or keep quite. This is your country too so do something to make it better dont just sit and complain. The world is not perfect not everyone does what they are supposed to do. |
bignik (italy)
4th March 2009 |
Hi to all ,just a few words , i was born in S.A and lived there un till 1980 , then my parents decided to return back to Italy where they were from , i used to go for a holiday about once a year to Cape town where i used to live , un till 2001 , when i was driving to the bank to change some money , stopped outside the bank and was getting out the car and heard gunshots from inside the bank , the police arrived very quickly because the police station was around the corner, big shoot out , then afterward they told me that it was a normal bank robbery , is a bank robbery normal ? , this was my first day there on the fourth day i was walking down from my house to the local store and there were some vendors selling some cheese salami and other goods , one vendor was shot in cold blood and robbed by three young blacks , i saw this with my own eyes , i was also astounded by the indifference of others , so i went back home and started to ponder on the fact that something very strange is happening in this country, revenge is a very powerful beast and if it grows you will not be able to control anything , i did not ever again return to S.A, which i am sad about , things have gotten worse since then, but what is this new goverment doing , peace and greetings to all
bignik |
Johannesburg (Jhb, South Africa)
24th February 2009 |
Anyone who mentions Zimbabweans in a negative way astound
me with both their ignorance and complete lack of ethics.
The Zims are the ONLY ones who put work and effort in to their jobs and because of that THEY are the ones getting employed and, of course, upsetting 'previously disadvantaged' because the 'previously disadvantaged' are not being hired. If our population weren't so lazy we'd have built a FANTASTIC and SAFE economy and country by now but because people feel they are owed something they think that they don't need to work and can still earn a salary.
WAKE UP SOUTH AFRICA!!! If YOU work and work your ass off, like the Zimbabweans, then YOU would be hired and THEY would be out of work.
How can ANC's Zuma be elected for president if he's under trial for rape, bribery and corruption. It's pretty unbelievable as to the mentality of people we have here that are Zuma supporters and want him to be our role model and leader of our country. People's ignorance and willingness to blindly follow rather than thinking for what's best everyone readily does set my imagination running wild.
As Sandra said, it's a VERY, VERY sad situation.. Bring back the death penalty and cut of a hand if someone is caught stealing. After living in the Middle East for a few years I never once locked my car or even heard of any crimes. It works!! |
sam kay (SA)
22nd February 2009 |
Crime is out of control. Leave while you still can, or let your children leave. It is part of the plan to free criminals so that they can succeed in robbing or even killing you. They are given numerous changes till they get it right. SA gone to crap, and who would have thought democracy would be our downfall. |
Les (SA)
18th December 2008 |
Lived here all my life, and will live here the rest of my life. Have a wonderful quality of life and love this country.To those that have left, enjoy your new land and stop commentating on ours.
Much of our crime is domestic and most of it occurs in the townships.SA is a safe destination with areas that should be avoided (just like many other countries) |
Brandon (Canada)
27th October 2008 |
For anyone wondering about these stats:
Murders: 21,995
Murders (per capita): 0.496008 per 1,000 people
Murders with firearms: 31,918
Murders with firearms (per capita): 0.719782 per 1,000 people
Murder and Murder by Weapons are actually considered different crimes. Just like assault and assault with a dealdy weapon. |
Nick (Port Elizabeth)
9th October 2008 |
If we payed the cops a decent salary for putting their lives on the line, maybe they wouldn't be in such a hurry to find extra income illegaly. i mean who can support a family on R3000 a month with such crap hours and so much stress?!?!?! im sure it would maybe not solve a lot of problems, but certainly be a step in the right direction. unfortunately though, no one can give a s**t in "guvament", they are too busy lining their own pockets to care about anyone else. |
SA REP TILL I DIE!! (Australia)
6th October 2008 |
Eish!!! its hurts to read all of this!!! It truly does!! South Africa will be my home no matter what! I can't denie the fact that SA has become worse..and it breaks my heart to see it fall apart. I always ask GOD to make SA better place beacuse no matter what im moving back to MZANSI fo sho!!!
To all those criminals out there i ask u to please understand what a reputation you are giving our beautiful country! You are taking the lives of innocent people..
All i want to see is South Africa PROGRESS!!!!Because I know WE ARE ALIVE WITH POSIBILITIES!!!
love you sa!!!!!! |
lwando ruthula (eastern cape province)
3rd September 2008 |
cant find the aproprite unswers to my questions. can i find the crime graphs presenting the rate of crime in south africa |
Wa Benzi (SA)
3rd September 2008 |
The crime has been reducing at an amazing rate. Of course the new economic depression is likely to make it worse for a while.
Just don't let everybody know what a great place it can be to live (not Joburg, though) - otherwise everybody will want to be here.
It is instructive to see just how bad these old statistics were - we've come a long way Baby.... |
maggsshop4 (South Africa)
3rd July 2008 |
Most crime goes unreported.Most of the time the police dont bother with crimes unless uve been murdered already, and if they do come they dont automatically take a statement...they ask...."would u like us to make a report?" And u know its useless and they make u feel like a nusance as we all know it wont be solved so most people just say no dont bother whats the point...so these statistics are a joke. |
boeta (london)
4th June 2008 |
the stats saying murder with fierearms and murder.add it up and you get 52,000 murders.now that sounds a bit better doesn't it?see people get killed with guns and then with knives axes machettes.easy |
Thabang (Pretoria)
2nd June 2008 |
There aren't many safer countries to live in. Stay here and look ans apply the solutions this country can be great. |
Also leaving (Gauteng SA)
6th April 2008 |
Murder and rape is real in SA.
Children and woman can't walk 100m to a shop.
I'm leaving !!!! Rather start over or have less but sleep save and enjoy nature.
I am a resist because we are raped and killed by blacks.
In 5 years time it will be worst here than in Zim. |
mongezi (ezibeleni)
25th March 2008 |
I need the statistics of crime in south africa compared to other neighbour countries |
Gary (Grahamstown)
12th March 2008 |
South Africans' focus on crime needs to be tempered by looking at local news in other countries, whenever they travel - similar sorts of issues, some worse some less worse. As a developing nation we need to compare ourselves with other developing nations - but remember stats can give alsorts of different pictures: look at the total crimes per capita-
77.18 per 1,000 people (South Africa)
85.55 per 1,000 people (United Kingdom) |
Busuyi (JHB)
29th December 2007 |
The senseless nature of the violent crime in SA is inexplicable, this again is confirmed by the gruesome murder of music icon Lucky Dube. Yet we are not hopeless, we can change things by awareness and education. Visit www.dontshootsa.org.za to say your opinion and be a part of this move towards a violent-free South Africa. |
fromJoburg (USA)
29th December 2007 |
Once out never to return. Now Zuma is going to be president oh my gosh lock your doors and buy knop kierries. We have all the McBrides and Yengenis and the non functional scorpions, run away people. You beetr of in Zimbabwe!!! |
PDR (Centurion, Gauteng, SA)
29th December 2007 |
There has been a monotorium on crime statistics for a couple of years now, so nobody really knows how bad crime really is. Thus I suspect the statistics above is irrelavent.
What I do know, is that I've had three vehicles stolen and my house broken into twice.
A friend of mine is currently in hospital because he's been shot in his own home by an intruder.
Each of our neighbours have been broken into at least once in the last year.
One of our neighbours was highjacked and forced to help the criminals to load his car with his electronic goods. Thankfully they didn't rape his wife.
Anybody surprised that I'm leaving SA? |
Frank (Johannesburg)
25th December 2007 |
The SA government has not published any substantial crime figures for years now. That says more about crime in SA than anything else. The only somewhat reliable figure we've seen in recent years is half a million (!) rapes per year. Crime is out of control in SA and the government knows this but doesn't lift a finger. Corruption and crime is rampant, even in the SA police force. The breakdown of society here is progressing rapidly.
There was a lot wrong with Apartheid and the system had to go, but under the new government the whole country is turning into a gangster's paradise with the full consent (not to say co-operation) of the ANC gov't. |
Migrating (SA)
5th December 2007 |
The story of one family.
I got held hostage and then robbed by two men with knives, a month later I got attacked by six men. Hospitalized...Too say the least.
My father got caught in the crossfire between an armored vehicle and robbers. Got shot at with AK47's. No injuries...Luckily.
My mother was held at gunpoint by a man demanding cash. He eventually 'escorted' her to an ATM... She was also the victim of various smash and grabs (robberies) and an attempted hijacking.
My little sister was threatened with rape (at her high school) if she did not bring a certain amount of cash...
About a month ago she was also robbed at the local mall.
My older sister was involved in two hijackings and one smash and grab (They break your window, while you are at an intersection, and rob you using any amount of force necessary). Do I need to mention she has two daughters (11 months and 3 years). Imagine this happens to you while driving around with your small children.
I am however in the lucky position of emigrating to New Zealand - soon. This is providing I survive for the next 5 months.
Its not a country, its a war zone. |
JOHN (DURBAN)
15th September 2007 |
I think we must know that STATE is also involve in crime because they say everybody have rights,what kind of rights criminal have got? We just have to make sure that if he/she is guilt she must stay inside & the Zimbabwe peole some of them they come here and sale drugs if police find them then they pay the police but some of Zimbabwen are good.I think is only one way to stop crime is that police must get good pay so that they don't take money from criminals. thankyou. |
Ian (South Africa)
7th September 2007 |
All the stats published and shown are not painting a true picture of crime.
Walk through any street in South Africa, stop every person you meet and ask, has crime affected you, or some close to you?
Every single person has been touched by crime or knows some one who was brutally murdered/raped/tortured/hijacked or violently robbed.
An the government is only interested in changing street names and ignoring the truth of this situation.
Forget the names of the street, protect the citizens and fight crime. |
Van (Gauteng - Pretoria - South Africa)
26th July 2007 |
I agree that personally I do not think your stats are correct as My family and I have been affected by crime many times - and not even bothered to report it - as nothing will get done any. To give you an idea:
Brother-in-law - hose broken into more than 15 times (we stopped counting after that)
Brother-in-law and father-in-law shot - innocent bystanders (luckily only injured)
Son robbed four times
Daughter robbed 7 times
assualted once - thank God not raped - she was able to get away
Sister-in-law - hijacked (car jacking)
Brother-in-law vehicle broken into once, vechile stolen
Myself - house broken into twice - first time they left a bed's base only - took everything else.
Robbed 2 or three times
Attempted to jack my car - stole my handbag money, etc
And then the "president" of my Country tells me it's all in my imagination?
Of course I will leave at the drop of a hat if I could. |
What A Joke (Dublin)
15th July 2007 |
Yes if you get shot dead twice lol, maybe that counts as two murders they kill you revive you and kill you again.
But yes if you think these stats are bad enough interpol suggests it should be closer to 52 000 murders per year. The morgues I beleive indicate something similar about these stats being extremely conservatively low.
I live in Dublin Ireland and here they consider the small increase in murder rate to be a worry. Ireland has 0.32 murdered per 100 000 (2005). Hence why I moved from SA to Ireland. I'm not the only one. I can walk the worst of the streets here and feel safer than the best streets in SA.
My brother moved from Pretoria which we knew well to Cape town and was mugged no fewer than 3 times before he left for USA.
For any tourist unless you have a good armed guard and many people traveling with you, you have a false sense of security.
I've have even heard from some Irish people that have gone on holiday to SA about their experiences of being robbed. This should in theory have been a highly unlikely statistic to have occured seeing as most of them haven't visted SA and those that have have only spent a short period there!!!
Sure vist SA but I think climbing mount Everest is safer.
PS If you don't get murdered in SA you might still get raped and get a death sentence called AIDs |
Grunter (New Zealand)
29th June 2007 |
Why does South Africa have more murders with firearms (31,918) than total murders? (21,995) |
Tom (Johannesburg)
18th June 2007 |
10 years in SA (from UK). In the last two years:
My wife and I were kidnapped in our car - at gun point, obviously. Locked in boot and driven to remote township - lucky to escape alive.
Colleague's wife caught in shoot-out in police station.
Colleague's brother-in-law shot in hijacking.
One member of staff shot point blank (gun failed to go off)
One member of staff's husband in armed robbery at home.
No effective police action in any instance.
This place is incredibly dangerous - DO NOT FOOL YOURSELF. |
Gary (South Africa)
28th May 2007 |
There is something wrong with the stats, they show that there are more people Murdered with firearms in SA than total people murdered.
Murders: 21,995
Murders (per capita): 0.496008 per 1,000 people
Murders with firearms: 31,918
Murders with firearms (per capita): 0.719782 per 1,000 people |
What a bunch (USA)
19th March 2007 |
This page must be put up by some ANTI GUN BS person, so the website is bogus, how can that be, you ask??
Above it says that there are 21k murder, and 31k from firearms in other words more people were murder by guns than the total amount for the country all together
Murders: 21,995
Murders (per capita): 0.496008 per 1,000 people
Murders with firearms: 31,918 |
amanda (south africa)
10th March 2007 |
as dangerous as south africa may be it is far better than other countries especially over seas.i personally think that if you have a problem with crime in south africa go live somewhere else, where the crime is twice as bad like in america and then feel happy when you family is killed faster than it would be killed in S.A. Afterwards don't come back to S.A stay there and die |
Dan (SA)
6th March 2007 |
For a country whose government tightly controls the distribution and publication of crime statistics, these figures are as accurate as you'll get; and an indication of the HUGE problem that is faced by the minority that are interested in sustaining the country as a viable society. |
Senor Neek (Joburg)
20th February 2007 |
@ Ben:
Whomever told you Joburg was safe as any other city is ill-informed.
Joburg represents the epicentre of SA's unparalled crime epidemic. I have lived hear for 7 years and every single person I know has been a victim of crime. People here live in fear, never knowing when it will be their turn.
In my personal experience the following has happened:
1. Wife's car stolen in broad daylight
2. House broken into - cleaned out
3. House broken into 2nd time - gate motor stolen
4. Numerous friends hijacked/carjacked, usually assaulted as well (pistol-whipped, kicked, beaten).
5. Armed gunmen stormed my wife's offices and stole all computer equipment.
6. Friend shot and paralysed for life.
7. Female friend kidnapped, tortured, raped repeatedly and murdered.
8. My car broken into.
9. Cash in transit heist (in office hours) in the building where I worked
10. Assassins came into work building to murder someone - luckily could not find him (seriously).
11. Friends held up by 12-18 AK47-wielding gunmen while out for dinner in restaurant.
12. Owner of one of my favourite bar's (Giles) murdered by employee.
14. Man shot dead by robbers at my local grocery store (Melville Woolworths)
15. Manager of local restaurant murdered in cold blood by robbers.
16. Rape epidemic in my neighbourhood (Melville, Jhb)
17. Wife was victin of smash and grab while stopped at traffic light.
18. The list goes on and on and on...
In addition to the above, large tracts of the city centre are no-go areas, including Hillbrow, Berea, city centre etc.
My house currently has a 2.5 metre (7foot+) wall around it, topped by electric fence. I have beams in my garden that trigger the alarm. I also have an armed response company that arives in 1-2 minutes. My car windows have been coated with anti "smash and grab" coating. And I still feel unsafe... |
Boipelo (Kimberley(SA))
20th February 2007 |
South Africa is a great country the problem is that people in it are narrow minded. it is easy for someone to stand there and talk about our high crime rate but what is the point when noone is thinking of what is causing it. sa is a developing country and we have a high poverty rate., so yes we have a high crime rate bt that is mainly because majority of the country is hungry and raised in crime ridden townships. as a south african i feel that we should stop blaming the government because i get the idea that the government is only being blamed because the anc is in power. when someone comments on something they should please know what they are talking about, and lets not forget that the majority people that these crimes are violating are the poor people again.the way in which our "wealthier" people think is that the crime rate when something happens to someone they know. catch a wake up and smell the cofee south africans, and shame on those of you who call themselves citizens of sa but degrade the country the way they do! im embarassed that im a 16 year lod and i have more common sense than most of you. here is a idea: IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SA, THEN MOVE TO AUSTRALIA, THE CRIME RATE IS JST AS HIGH!!!!!!!!! |
Nathan Gous (Pretoria)
13th February 2007 |
Crime is big in SA, the powers that be wont admit that there is a problem. Its not to say that SA has the worst crime in world but rather it tends to be more violent here.
On the other hand I'm here and I'm not going anywhere and anyone who wants to come here should come. I'm not going to discourage people from witnessing such beauty because I'm angry with the gorvenment.I don't hear Brazilians crying out to the world not to come to their country because they will be mugged. Crime is not new and it certainly didn't start with SA, many countries have had this problem but their citizens(patriotes and just ordinary people) did not migrate to other countries.
On the positive side, we have an opportunity to be rid of whingers and true SAfricans(white and black) will remain to fix the problem instead of putting the country down every opportunity they get. |
SA Citizen (SA)
12th February 2007 |
guys
crime is bad - we all know that & we take the relevant precaustions.
To our Kansas City buddy out there- dont flatter yourself - ours is a self sufficient country - we dont need your corn - we have maize - mielies....thank you very much - and btw - is that what they teach u guys in school about my beautiful country ... gee whizz - heres an idea - step outside of that cocooned world u call the US and go and explore the real world...
There's every chance that you will actually learn something instead of just injesting the ridiculous propoganda that the States spout & expects the whole world to beleive - what the dont get is - not every1 is as gullible as Americans...
If you have never been to our beautiful albeit flawed country - please dont look at these dumb webites and pass judgement.
We have beautiful people, beautiful beaches and a slightly lopsided justice system. We have been a democracy for ONLY 13 years now - only reaching our teens.We do NOT invade other countries and kill everybody in there in the name of peace. We do not plunder - or torture people of different denomination just for fun.
We have no Klu Klux Klan and most importantly our president is not George Bush.
Everybody outside the country seems to pity us but we are strong and we are building our nation.
To those 'ex-pats' - u left - u have no right to call yourself a south African or comment on the country anymore.
Our fortitude is our strength...
We do not need other countries to come and post troops here to 'fix the problem' - we need education for everyone so that people can earn a decent living.
If you dont like the country - leave...
Its amazing how many ex-pats come back isnt it.... |
englebert (usa)
9th February 2007 |
where are bruce springsteen and little stevie and Bono, now that south africa has the 2nd highest murder rate in the world? They campaigned so hard to get rid of apartheid, now they have the highest crime rate in the world and all of our free south
africa folk seem to have disappeared. wonder why. |
About to Leave (Cape town)
9th February 2007 |
In this country the Minister of Safety and Security Charles Nqakula told people to leave the country if they want to complain about crime.
I don't know of a single family who has not been involved in serious crime.
In todays news a man stabbed a 72 year old lady Eugene Schaefer
twice in the neck then another 36 times with a pocket knife and dagger, before raping her as she lay bleeding to death.
People get stoned weekly by communities accusing them of being witches. WTF?
I have lived here all my life, in a "safe" area, but it is getting worse and worse.
The conviction rate is as low as 2.7% in certain crimes.
This place is a joke, I am leaving for good as soon as I can. |
Joyce Theron (South Africa)
7th February 2007 |
we live in fear every single day. it feel like its happening to everyone, and my turn is soon to come. i know what it is like to be in a armed robbery. you dont know if they are going to kill you or rape you, luckely they didnt. but i dont know if i will be that lucky again. DEATH PENALTY MUST RETURN TO SOUTH AFRICA!!! it is the only thing that will stop this. we are fedup and our president dont seem to care the least about the people of his country. we want to be heard!!! Please Help us... |
Gabriel (London)
6th February 2007 |
I grew up in SOuth Africa and there is no way for people who havent lived there to understand just how bad it is. Fair enough, you can avoid trouble by avoiding extra dodgy places, but most Murders are caused by Criminals violating other people personal space, going into their homes and killing them. That's the reality of the situation. now please world, WAKE UP. See how bad is it.
Don't blame it on Apartheid. DOn't blame it on Racism. Don't blame it on Poverty. Blame it on one thing, above all : A corrupt, horrible, goverment, one that DENIES the crime rate, surpresses it and broke their promises to all their Black citizens and are trying to totally annihilate the White race in South Africa! They are destroying that country piece by piece and they are causing suffering to Millions of people.
I am glad Apartheid ended, I do not agree with segregation of any race of people, but these people are making it way worse for the Black people than it EVER was in Apartheid.
South Africa needs a new goverment and it needs it FAST before there is nothing left of this once proud Nation. Nelson Mandela is not a hero. He's a criminal |
Joe Garzonis (Durban, South Africa)
26th January 2007 |
I stand in awe with the negativity oozing about SA (my country) with some folk not even staying here. For 29 years I have lived happily in this country effected by a hose pipe being stolen out of my garden twice and fuel been taken out of my fuel tank.
Amazingly enough I even work for a manufacturing concern that produces security panels for homes and businesses.
Friends out there, crime is innevitable where there is poverty, brutal crime is not an excuse but the reality is it exists. My concern though, is that we will always comment but when there is an incident we say to ourselves: 'that poor sod hope he comes out ok...'in a nutshell it is not as bad as some of you might portray, but it is here and it exists all over the world. I am happy to read and engage on some of you the truth we are starting to export more security devices to Au, NZ and Malaysia then we have in the past 5 years says something about crime globally |
Engelie Brand (UK)
7th January 2007 |
Please note that these figures are for 1998-2000, and my impression is that things are getting worse. Every year, for the past five years, someone out of my closest 100 relatives and friends were involved in crime that could have costed their lives. (Armed robbery, carjackings, rape). In 2006, however, my cousin was killed, a bystander in an armed robbery. My uncle and aunt were carjacked, pistol against his head, a carjacking occurred at my mom's house's gate and a friend was involved in an armed robbery. So that's 4/100 for 2006... And crime is so commonplace in SA, that I can readliy assume that other criminal incidences occurred in the lives of my 100-closest SAns, that I have not even been told of.
Really makes me wonder who will be next!
Is it just my near-and-dear's being unfortunate, or what? I dont think so! |
peyter will (Cape town)
5th January 2007 |
South africa is a dangerous country, if you want to have a long life then please dont go there, becuase you will not be having a very long and happy life
be safe
thank you |
Ben (Thailand)
26th December 2006 |
British subject living in Thailand, I am about to re-locate to SA (Jo'berg)for 3-5 years. I am told it is as safe as any other city. I have no personal experience of the above.
Any thoughts from those who have?????????? |
Luis
9th December 2006 |
Most of the Crimes that occure in this Countries are because of the Police involved.Most of the Criminals know that if they Pay the Cops they will let them go. |
fidelia (nigeria)
29th November 2006 |
i would honestly want to know if crime rate in S.A is higher than in mexico? |
Jake (South Africa & UK)
1st November 2006 |
This is absolutely ridiculous. This in an injustice to the very being of mankind, to the right to live a safe life. The world needs to wake up, speak up and act. But as this comment is lost on the 2 readers that might read it, so is the outcry from the people who is part of these statistics. |
Ben Edsall (Kansas City)
27th May 2006 |
They took the land from the white farmers that produced food. They gave the land to Black people who did not know how to farm. Now the U.S. gets to feed them!
They created a lottery for visas to keep the people who wanted to leave from leaving with their families. They destroyed a vivrant economy and created a welfare state.
They took away they right of self defense and the right to keep and bear arms. Now the thugs rule the streets and crime is out of control. The people who want to leave can't because they cannot get their families out. If you drive you will be car-jacked.
For this we imposed sanctions and encouraged a criminal to develop a puppet government. The U.S. and the worthless U.N. created this disaster and now they want to do the same in the U.S.
From My Cold, Dead Hands! The only thing between US and tyrany is the second ammendment! |
Akrid
19th November 2005 |
OMG, Nuke S.A. off the damn globe, cut our losses. |
hello
15th November 2005 |
In order to get a more accurate percetion of the current situation in S.A, double these stats. Half of all injustices don't even get reported, and maybe half of half gets filed...catch my drift, it's lots worse that what it appears to be from the figures on your screen..my time spent in S.A - 18 years. |
Edd
19th October 2005 |
I am a employee of the South African Government, and to be honest with you, the only people that counts in this country is the upper class non white people.
The lower and middle class people(all races) are there for the criminals to exploit.
Next Zimbabwe? Maybe closer than we think |
DV
14th October 2005 |
It sure makes me feel ashamed of my country!!!!
Hopefully in ten years time things would look a bit brighter! |
K.C.Gwen
3rd September 2005 |
Why should the government give bails to seriously crime offender instead of putting them behind bars? |
Cameron
11th August 2005 |
South Africa is a great country because:
1. You can eat half dried meat and not be considered disgusting.
2. Nothing is your fault, you can blame it all on apartheid.
3. You get to buy a new car every 3 months and the insurance company even
pays for it.
4. You can experience shit service in eleven official languages.
5. Where else can you get oranges with 45% alcohol content at rugby matches?
6. It's the only country in the world where striking workers show how angry
they are by dancing.
7. You're considered clumsy if you cannot: use a cell phone (without car
kit), change CDs, drink a beer, put on make-up, read the newspaper and smoke,
all at the same time while driving a car at 160 kph in a 60 kph zone.
8. Great accident. (!!!)
9. If you live in Johannesburg, you get to brag about living in the
most dangerous city in the world.
10. Burglar bars become a feature, and a great selling point for your house.
11. You can decorate your garden walls with barbed wire.
12. The tow-trucks are the first on the scene for most major crimes,
without being called.The police you have to call about three times.
13. Votes have to be recounted until the right party wins.
14. Illegal immigrants leave the country because the crime rate is too high.
15. The police ask you if they must follow up on the burglary you've just
reported.
16. A murderer gets a 6 month sentence and a pirate TV viewer 2 years.
17. The prisoners strike and get to vote in elections!
18. The police stations have panic buttons to call armed response when they
are burgled
19. Police cars are fitted with immobilisers and gearlocks!
Ja nee!! Dis lekker hier!! |
LP
22nd July 2005 |
The crime rate in South Africa has increased drastically over the years.
Now in 2005, you get stabbed and robbed of your posessions in your own driveway.
If your house door is left open, thieves are not afraid to jump into your yard
and enter your house with guns whilst you're having dinner with your family.
They stab you over a cellphone or for a few bits of cash while you are waiting
for public transport. They smash your car windows while you're in peak traffic
and take whats inside. Robbers time you at the ATM and follow you to your home
and rob you off your money and very often stabbing you in the process.
In South Africa nowdays, they dont just rob you but almost always stab their
victims before they flee. You just have to be lucky that they didn't get your
vital organs. Women get pulled into cars and raped while innocently walking
the streets. 9 month old babies get raped because in rural(uneducated) parts
of South Africa, they believe that the younger the baby is, the better the
cure for AIDS is (how sick is that).
South Africa minus the crime is one of the best countries to live in.
It's a very stable country with no natural disasters and has the best climate
with sunny winters.
If there was little or no crime in this country, I would never move from here
but whats the use of working hard and buying a nice car only to have a gun put
to your head, assaulted and your car stolen from you in your own driveway - its
frightening to know that soon you are going to be the next victim! |
Richard Sinclair
17th July 2005 |
Unfortunately you have to rely upon government statistics from
South Africa. This government has orgnaised for itself a
propaganda machine which surpasses anything the Nazis ever
had. Crime figures are suppressed. Rape, murder and hi-jackings are now routine. The police have a 7% crime solving record. It is in fact dangerous to call out the police to an incident, Those attacked may be charged with
assaualting the criminals (mostly poverty and ignorance-driven rural people lured by government into squalor and slums in developed areas. You really need to
run a ground-zero check on South Africa. Things are not as
they seem.... |
andy
11th July 2005 |
Drug Free Marshals are running a Drug Awareness campaign in South Africa to reduce drug use and curb substance abuse. Basically people are being educated on the Truth About Drugs and they then can make their own informed descisions about it. This is very successful. Join the campaign - e-mail me: andy@kooblal.co.za |
John
21st June 2005 |
I just arrived back home, USA, from South Africa. It is the most beautiful place I have ever seen. I am already planning my next excusion. I read this site prior to my trip, I must say, it made me skeptical. Once I arrived in SA, I found that it is really not much different than going to New York, LA or even Chicago. If you are looking for trouble in any of those places, you will find it. The same rule applies to South Africa. Yes, it has problems, but it should not deter anyone from visisting this wonderful place. |
Nandipa
8th June 2005 |
I want to know the real causes of crime |
Jurgen Ramdohr
6th April 2005 |
Good day
Just a question: Thassault rate for South Africa for the year 2000 is given on this web site as: 5,354,612,000.00,461 (2000)
Surely this should not be 5 billion three hundred and fifty four million assaults for the year??
Regards
J Ramdohr |
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