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Discussion - Lifestyle > Not proud of their nationality

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learn+to+think
11th November 2011
Dang you wwII!
Unz
27th July 2010
"Very proud of their nationality = Nazi/brainwashed"

Being proud of your country is a being a Nazi, got it.

I guess all Indians are Nazis as are Chinese, who are not on this list but are incredibly nationalistic. I'm sure if you asked most nations not on this list people would be quite proud of their country. The whole world is Nazis now?

One should be proud of one's homeland. People are of the soil. Living in perpetual doubt and shame and imagined guilt is corrosive and useless to a country's spirit.

One reason why Europe is increasingly irrelevant. This sort of useless wallowing in shame is a peculiarly European disease, exported to Japan.
Zicker
23rd June 2010
LOL Wine, though this post is about 5 years later no matter how much time passes it still makes you look like you have some bone to pick against Japan. Not to mention you probably never been there, and most of your so called "facts" are either from FOX news or The 700 club. Neither of which are actual news programs.. I'd suggest you pick up a book about Japan and actually read it before stating that Japan is a "whore" nation..(And even if it did legalize such things, the idea of it being "wrong" is totally abstract).
Flaming Pineapple
10th June 2010
Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Head Off, Japan is first in this list! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Yeah, because it's a messed up place with really messed up people!
well
24th January 2010
Not proud of their nationality = healthy
Very proud of their nationality = Nazi/brainwashed
basir ahmad Rahimy (Herat, Afghanistan)
23rd September 2007
Hi
Sir ,Or Modam i am a teacher at scool and so, I wante to know the names of some countries in the world and their nationality like If we say Japan, its nationality is japanes if please send me like this the names and nationality it would be your kindness.
thankes to give for y students
Rider
3rd February 2007
If you look at the definition carefully, you'll notice that it says "Percentage responding in 1990s surveys that they were not proud of their nationality." That would mean that the statistics are incorrect and way out of date. So it would be possible that the Japanese and Germans would be *MORE* proud of their nationality than they used to be.
Jozelle (Tampa,Fl)
11th December 2006
I personally feel that as a american teenager that has been into japan for 3 years now I sorta understand why they may not be pround of their nationality.Obviously it's very disturbing that anyone would not be proud of who they are but just look at pop-culture!America is a great infleunce in how the modern world sees it's self and it's future.Japan is obviously a modern country that is leading the world in to the future.Anywayes, Asians seem to always have had an identity crisis worst than any other ethnicity (I can speak being a 16 y.o. of Jamaican parents).The youth are starting to have plastic surgery on themselves so they can have a more "western" look to them so they won't be discriminated against.From having eye lid surgeries to make theier eyes appear larger,to dyeing their hair to blond.We need to realize that America is a great influence in the world on what is considered beautiful.America loves you if your 5-9 , blond, rich ,skinny and your popular for just being famouse and basically not doing anything but sitting on your behind and looking cute (remind you of anyone...Paris Hilton).Look how popular American celebrities are iver in Japan!They make as much money over there as they do here intheir own country!Paris Hilton is so "loved" over there it really boggles the mind how the smartest people in the world can worship that.The youth of japan arent comfortable just with who they are ... especially considering how strict with rules and modest their society is and how thats seen as so different from the rest of the world with itsso uninhibated wayes.So take society into question and just look a little closer as to how much we Americans do effect the rest of the world alot more than we think.By the way I love Japan and think the Japanese are lovely people (especially the teens) so maybe its not all bad but it is still disturbng.
Tomasu (San DIego)
5th June 2006
I was born in Germany moved to the US at 17 and was an english teacher in japan for 3 years, starting at age 24. After reading all the posts on Japan on this thread I can honestly say that many of the things said have some truth to them.

The Japanese are bashful and although they do have pride, it would be considered rude to show it. But when and if you get to know them on a personal level, they do let some of it out.

Many Japanese subconsciously believe they are a superior race, especially compared to other Asian nations. They have a sneeking suspicion that Americans( Any white person to them, is assumed to be an American) just might be better. This gives them a huge complex.

Gaijin- the japanese word for foreigner comes from the word gaikokujin which literaly means Outside-Country-Person, or outsider. Many forigners in Japan dislike this word because it creates a sense of "you vs. us" but most Japanese don't see what the big deal is. Remember Japan is very homogenous, and the many Japanese are Xenophobic. because of there lack of contact with foreigner's especially out side of the major cities.

Walking down the street in my town I would get many stares and I even saw people talking my picture from time to time, the little children would repeat "gaijin, gaijin" to there embarassed parents.

Regarding racism, I don't believe the Japanese are racist towards white people, but look to them with intrigue and curiosity. There treatment of other asian(Koreans, Chinese, Filipino's) could be described as racist but this is changing with the new generation.

Finally, despite many government programs (including the one I was in) Japan's proficiency in English is way below the levels of almost any other Asian country, and many Japanese are extremely self-consious about speaking to someone in english and embarrasing themselves, so if they avoid you don't take it personally.

So there ya go hopefully I was able to clear up some of the cultural misunderstandings.

PS: when it comes to discussing other cultures its always wise to take everything with a grain of salt;)
Patio
13th March 2006
I'm just wondering how these questions were asked...what was the sample? How was it obtained? What was the income? How well traveled, well educated, etc. these people were and in what percent. Was the sample random? Where is this evidence? I want to see it damn it...not give me some non-linked source which doesn't even seem to keep this "1990's" data any longer? I won't trust these results further than I can spit until I see some evidence other than correctional numbers and regression numbers...they mean jack when you have a bad sample and bad question format.
Nick Jackalson
6th January 2006
The Netherlands is 3rd because, as a people, the Dutch lack a sense of national identity and don't have many traditions, from what I've heard. The same would go for Belgium. The fact of Japan and Germany being at the top of the list is almost entirely due to the remaining guilt from the bad reputation earned in the Second World War.
jackson
24th November 2005
After living in Japan for 7 years and hearing "I wish I weren't Japanese" time and time again, I find this result easy to believe.
mike knows all
23rd November 2005
i go to college in Japan. i would just like to say, A.America has the most over zealous patriotism.
B.after the meji restoration, any sort of violence in fiction or nonfictional books WERE and STILL to this day,not allowed until 6th or 7th grade.
C. Japanese are not racist. People are nice, but exclude you. your not in America anymore!! A society just for 1 race is fine. A society for all races is fine too. I cant distinguish a problem between having these two kinds of nations in the world.
D.my English has become horrible because of the Japanese. t
uglyamerican
17th November 2005
Hey,
You might have "Lived there for 3 years", but that doesn't mean "you know." Living on a military installation and venturing just outside the gate occasionally DOES NOT meant that "you know.", and DOES NOT mean you know anything about Japan.....not by a long shot. I am living here as well, (5 years) and found the people to be pleasant, the food awesome, and the countryside beautiful.
-Honto ni, baka redneck.
Julie
17th October 2005
WHOA? I think Japan is so awesome how come they aren't proud of their country. How odd.
Aonghas Crowe
14th October 2005
I was not surprised at all by Japan and Germany topping the list. Once bitten, twice shy. Both countries experimented with overzealous patriotism only to be humiliated in the end, as a result Germans and Japanese today have been born with an original sin of sorts: shame. Any outward expression of love for the fatherland there comes off as smacking of fascism. In Japan, incidentally, "aikokushin", literally, "love of one's country", or patriotism, is associated with the extreme right wing.

Another factor behind the Japanese supposed lack of pride is their tendency towards reserve and humility. It's not polite to boast, so even if they do feel proud, they tend to play it down.
Jay
11th October 2005
I have heard that the Japanese are very exclusionary and do not accept foreigners. They will not allow you to assimilate into their culture.

And I totally disagree that the Germans and Japanese are the best innovators. I think that clearly goes to the Americans. The Japanese do a great job of taking American technology and mass producing it but very little that is made there is truly of Japanese origin. The most innovative industry in the world is IT and all the best hardware and software companies in that field are American.

American inventions: microprocessor, personal computers, internet, phonograph, light bulb, electron microscope, the VCR.
Japanese inventions: (most of) the DVD, Betamax (and both of those were almost entirely Sony)

I don't know where the idea of Germans being especially innovative comes from. The automobile was a great idea but that was 110 years ago. In my opinion BMW is the most innovative car company in the world but that's hardly enough to hold up the entire nation. If they were really innovative I think they would find a way to reduce their staggeringly high unemployment rate.
Someone
9th October 2005
Anyone who knows Japanese culture would not be shocked that they are insecure. The Japanese are very critical of themselves and value what others think of them much more than other cultures. This can be seen through their tradition of suicide: the Japanese have one of the highest suicide rates. Group that with their involvement in World War 2 and you have a prime candidate for a self-loathing nation.
Mitchu
4th October 2005
Thats not a pride thing. There are significant cultural differences and nuances that the Japanese people have and that not Japanese people can never quite attain. It want a racism thing there'd be not hostility... you'd be more than welcome as a tourist as your friend said but you'd probably never quite fit in.... not say you couldnt get along and make friends etc
Jan
4th October 2005
I bet the USA numbers are al LOT higher now (but only temporary) I mean the whole country is divided..
Mike
2nd October 2005
Alaric
That's not because they're proud. That's because they're xenophobic.
Nick
14th August 2005
It's hard to believe that the Japanese aren't proud of their country, when you consider that Japan is the second most economically and militaristic powerful nation on the planet!
Neil Armstrong
3rd August 2005
Your bottom listings are spurious;if not indeed fatally erroneous regarding Ireland. Perhaps my countrymen and woman follow the line of one of many Irish literary greats when he opined "that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel". I am perhaps the latter...as I am fiercely proud of my country. I am compiling a list of the Irish diaspora who have risen to heights literally as in the case of hundreds of folk at NASA; the USAF;Marines and services across the globe including the RAF (air aces WW2 never mentioned sadly). Our more empirically gifted men of science and medicine are well known around the world; but in Britain they wouldn't be aware that they were from that "little green island". "Oh well". From the missionaries and Latin and Greek learned monks who taught Europe in the earliest centuries of the 1st millenium...to Irish physicists at CERN in Switzerland...our genius is omnipresent.
Too bad WASPish and their jealous colonies(guess who) still turn a blind eye
Mike Dowling (mrdowling.com)
22nd July 2005
The statistic does not have meaning unless you look at its context. Are the respondents not proud of their ethnicity? Their government? Also, note that only 36% of the Japanese people polled were "not proud." That suggests that 64% were either proud, or neutral, or didn't understand the question.
Taku
8th July 2005
Alaric: "One told me I'd always be considered a tourist."


well, you would always be a tourist, at least for a very long time. it would take a Westerner decades to learn the subtleties of a Far East culture like Japanese.
sandeep
6th July 2005
i am so proud that japanese are not proud of their country
Alaric
23rd June 2005
I am so surprised that the Japenese are not very proud. I went there to visit because I wanted to apply for citizenship there and whenever I told anyone who was japenese they got offended. Most of them seemed excessively proud and came right out and told me I wouldn't be welcome there and that I would never truly be Japenese even if i was granted citizenship. One told me I'd always be considered a tourist.
Ganesh .R
13th May 2005
Can't believe this. Germans and Japanese are the greatest innovators & they dislike their country!!! Strange isn't it?
Hans
10th April 2005
Japan is the greatest country in the world and has great statistics...how come they aren't more proud of their country?

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